Family Trees online… or not

Many of my genealogi friends say that I should only have my research on my own computer (because it is safer), and not on the net … so therefore I have my research online 🙂  

Another argument for why I not should have my trees online is that I own my research and my ancestors … ok, my parents and my grandparents, I might ”own”, but my great-great-parents are not only mine, I share them with many many other people…

Most of the descendants of my early ancestors – and I don´t even know there names – yet! – or where these relatives live today-, are unknown, but with my tree online, I can suddenly get help, when a relative found my tree.

Often, these people are descendants of those who emigrated from Listerlandet, Mjällby parish in the 1800s… and not seldom are ”the culprits” to find in Listersläkten (like me).

But there is a problem … I have to write in English, but ”That it ”bangs” I have to take!”.

So let me try to introduce Listersläkten…

 

——————— This is Listersläkten … ———————

”Lister släkten” is the name of a big family on – from is probably a better word – Listerlandet (Mjällby parish) in Blekinge. One story claims that they are descendants of an Eastern Chief, who drove away and ended his odyssey in Scandinavia … but that will be hard to prove.

Listerlandet is a peninsula – former island – southeast of Sölvesborg and part of Listers Härad. The area borders in the south, west and east to the Baltic Sea … Hanö bukten in the south and east and Sölvesborgsviken in the west, but he border to the north is a little bit trickier..

The border to the north has moved over time …

Earlier crossed the border the bridge in Norje (goggle Sweden Rock, and you will know where Norje is located on a large map), then at the lake Vesan… who is no longer a lake, but drained farmland a century since a hundred years back.

Listerlandet has also had a historical border line in the 1300s at Mörrum’s stream in the east, Sissebäck in the west and a northern part of today’s Olofströms municipality. During this period the area was its own littel county with borders to Skåne and Blekinge.

Listerhalvön is the peninsula where much of Listerlandet is situated. Today, Listerland and Listerhalvön are almost synonymous… but that are actually two different things.

Until the early 2000s, the difference was clearer… when Listers Härad still was an active court. During that period, the word Listerlandet can be used as a name for the entire district court area.

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Lister Härad received its current borders of the Danish King Christian IV in the 1700s (Southern Sweden – Skåne, Blekinge and Halland – belonged to Denmark until 1664) … and Listerlandet was separated from Skåne and came to belong to Blekinge instead … which it still do.

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Listersläkten is a ”family”, who lived in and around Persgård and Horby Hovgård in Horby, a small village in Mjällby parish since the early 1700s – and their descendants. They were farmers and richer and more prosperous than most of the other farmers in the neighborhood. Many of them also became councilors and parliamentarians …

But alsow a family who has a dark shadow hanging over themselves, a shadow that deals with inbreeding, too much alcohol, sickness and all sorts of misery … thanks to race biologist Herman Lundborg. http://www.svd.se/hel-slakt-offer-for-missbrukad-vetenskap_7685882

 

But we’ll take it from the beginning …

… or since the church began to record which people how were born, lived and died in the the parish, rather.

”All” members of Listersläkten are the descendants of Per Knutsson & Inga Olofsdotter’s son, Pehr Persson, born 1721 in Hörby (even Per & Inga had another two children – Nils and Anna – who had children).

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——— Persgård… ———

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This is where the Listersläkten has its cradle, you can say … the farm where the councilors and parliamentarians Per Persson, born 1721 in Horby, lived with his wife Kersta Persdotter and their six children …

… six children, who all gave name to there respective branch of the familytree. Branches there they became tribal fathers or mothers …

Daughter Kersta, born 1745 became the tribal mother in the Kullarpas family …
https://gunvorpersson1.wordpress.com/2018/09/11/listerslakten-kullarpa-slakten/

Son Knut ”Mjällby Kung”, born 1748 became the tribal father in the Sektaresläkten…

Son Bengt, born 1752 became the ancestor fore Bensasläkten…
https://gunvorpersson1.wordpress.com/2018/07/27/listerslakten-del-14-bensaslakten/  

Daughter Elsa, born 1755 became the head of the Hovgårdasläkten …
https://gunvorpersson1.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/listerslakten-del-15-hovgardaslakten/

Daughter Pernilla, born 1761? Yes, she moved to Dönhult in Bräkne-Hoby …
https://gunvorpersson1.wordpress.com/2018/08/29/listerslakten-del-16-donhultarna/

… and the son Per, born 1764 was called ”Svarte Per” = Black Per… and his son Per born. 1809 was called ”Lille-Per” = Little Per.

The farms name ”Persgård” is besides very suitable, if you looks at what the farmers on the farm have been called throughout the years.

Per Persson, born 1721-1804 was followed by his son Per Persson, born 1764-1830 … whose son Per Persson, born 1809-1883 took over.  He was followed in his turn by … yes guess, a son also with the name Per Persson, born 1843-1919, and with him the farm went out from the family 1917…

In fact, I think the name Per Persson is the most common name – not only in the Listersläkten – on the entire Listerlandet. Which makes it very easy to get lost when searching for a relative with that name…

 

— Per Persson, born 1721… sister Anna Persdotter —

Per Knutsson & Inga Olofsdotter also had a daughter Anna, born 1727 who had children. She was married to Bengt Persson… who was a brother to Annas sister-in-law Kersta Persdotter.
Anna and Bengts son Nils, born 1759-1828 had a daughter Anna Nilsdotter, born 1788-1870… and she had a daughter Inga Persdotter, born 1810-1897.

This story will continue with Ingas daughter Karna Svensdotter, born 1834-1912…

Since she was born in Mjällby parish, she also hawe to married there (the wedding was almost always in the bride’s birth parish)…

She get married 19 June 1858 with Per Pålsson. He come a long way away (Billinge parish, Skåne), and had the year before moved to Mjällby parish and settled in the Lörby windmill (Lörby 20)…

Billinge CI:3 (1786-1846) Bild 2060 / sid 401 (AID: v106351a.b2060.s401, NAD: SE/LLA/13024)

The windmill was at least fifty years old, but it probably don´t worried Per …  because he had toured around in Skåne – since he was only seventeen year old – with his ten years older brother, and together they had built windmills.

Seven months after their marriage, their first child was born, a son named Per (oh no, a new Per Persson!), born 24 januari 1859. Lille Per get five siblings (Magnus 1861, Olivia 1863, Hilda 1866, Carolina 1868 and Johan 1871) … before the disaster happened.

 

—– The windmill took fire…. ——-

”In March 1872, Miller Per Pålsson in Lörby suffered a severe loss when his Dutch windmill burned to the ground. Nothing of the mill could be salvaged. On the question how the fire started, the owner informed, that during the strong storm – which at the moment was prevailing -, the mill was running, and it was impossible to stop the same, without it probably going hot in the layers and finally taking fire. Even though it was fire-insured, the owner does make some losses. ”

If the mill was rebuilt again, I do not know … but Per Pålsson and his wife Karna lived there forever. And there were also their seventh and last child born, Alfred 1874. Alfred and his sister Hilda was the only kid that stay in Sveden, for the other five emigrated one by one to America.

First out to leaving the parents home in Lörby was Magnus. He most likely arrive to  Boston on May 31, 1880 with the SS Atlas from Copenhagen … under the name of Magnus Påhlsson. No strangeit whit that, it was common to use the father’s last name when emigrating. The goal is Milwaukee, Wisconsin …

11 april 1882 leave his older brother Per the home… as Per Persson

 

——— New country, new name… ——-

…and boarded the boat as Per Pålsen, but it does not stop there. He will also change his last name in the United States …  to something you even can guess!

I received an announcement on ancestry from a descendant to Per = Peter … last week, there for this blog is in English. So I know he get married and had children on the other side of the Atlantic.

Only because I have my family tree online 🙂 …

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Carolina and Johan died probably before 1909, because they are not mentioned in Per Pålsson last will…

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2 kommentarer till Family Trees online… or not

  1. Gunvor Persson skriver:

    To find Per Pålsson in ancestry’s books: Choose ”Malmöhus”, parish ”” Billinge ”, births 1801-1832… bild 40.

    Gilla

  2. rmwilliamsjr skriver:

    is this close enough?
    Pehr Knudsson
    1691–1754
    BIRTH 1691 • Mjällby, Blekinge län, Sweden
    DEATH 3 NOVEMBER 1754 • Hörby 69, Mjällby sn, Blekinge län
    father-in-law of 5th great-grandmother

    his son nils is Bengta Nilsdotter
    1735–1802
    BIRTH 11 DEC 1735 • Ysane, Ysane sn, Blekinge län
    DEATH 27 FEB 1802 • Ysane, Ysane sn, Blekinge län
    5th great-grandmother

    her 2nd husband.
    no genetics but still family….

    Gilla

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